Could a Scheduling Alliance Between the ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame Truly Work?

Under Further Discussion: Is an Alliance Between Notre Dame, the ACC and Big 12 Viable?

Under Further Discussion: Is an Alliance Between Notre Dame, the ACC and Big 12 Viable?

Last week, our own Hokie Mark put together an article on his site, ACCFootballRx, taking a look at how a scheduling agreement between the ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame could conceivably work out. While he does a great job of laying out the specifics, he and I also carried the conversation over to email afterward, to discuss the issue a bit more. In particular, we dove into Notre Dame’s willingness to participate, notes on television deals and West Virginia‘s desires in this proposed situation.

John: First and foremost, would Notre Dame want to partner with the Big 12 as a whole? I get the feeling they’d prefer to keep their primary opponents, five ACC teams and then have the flexibility to schedule the Big 12′s elite teams like Texas and Oklahoma.

Mark: I agree.  That’s why I said I think this would have to fall somewhere between “rotating through all of the teams” and “just play the made-for-TV matchups.” I could see Notre Dame giving the Big 12 a list of teams they’d agree to play, which might look like this: Texas, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. (They’d leave out Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and West Virginia, in my opinion).

That may not go over so well with the four left out, but consider this: (1) WVU is more interested in the ACC scheduling part anyway, so skipping Notre Dame is probably fine with them; (2) Kansas, K-State and Iowa State are just happy to be in a BCS/power conference; (3) at any rate, that creates a 6-4 vote in favor of the deal.

John: Doesn’t the Big 12 need a two-thirds majority for critical decisions? (I thought that was the case, anyway) I mostly agree with your assessments of teams, though I’m not sure Baylor gets lumped in with the other five. Also agree that KU, KSU and ISU are all off the table; plus there’s no way Notre Dame’s scheduling (former head coach) Charlie Weis any time soon.

What kind of impact could we potentially see in terms of television contracts? How much would Notre Dame’s go up by? And each conference’s deals? Would this also put FOX into the bidding (along with ESPN and NBC) for Notre Dame’s contract that expires after 2014?

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Is My School an Expansion Target? A Handy Guide to Conference Realignment

Is Your Team a Prime Expansion Candidate? Choose Your Own Adventure Below...

Is Your Team a Prime Expansion Candidate? Calculate Your “Realignment Score” Below

The Big Ten expansion carousel got rolling once again today, this time claiming that invites have been officially issued to both Virginia and North Carolina of the ACC. Until proven true, it’s just another round of ACC death hoaxes, so until I see some confirmation from Frank the Tank and/or Brett McMurphy, you can count me a skeptic here.

But nonetheless, it’s obvious that expansion fever is still very much in the air and everyone – especially ACC fans – needs to be conscious of the warning signs for this catastrophic disease. With that, we’ve created this helpful guide to assist you in navigating the twists and turns of your school’s conference realignment rumors. All metrics are completely subjective, though are all based on college football expansion moves since 2004.

1. Would my school be upgrading with a move?

From 2004 through all confirmed changes for the upcoming years, 55 of 60 FBS schools that switched conferences have made a significant upgrade in membership compared to their former leagues. So if your favorite school/alma mater would find itself in better company by way of leaving its current situation (and that is that case for all schools not in the Big Ten, SEC or Pac-12), please give them two points for this round. If your school is in those leagues, subtract two.

2. Is my school a founding member of its conference?

Again going back to 2004, 13 founding members of leagues have left or are planning to leave the conferences which they founded at one point or another. Among the most notable include founding Big East member Syracuse leaving for the ACC, and founding ACC member Maryland heading to the Big Ten. But overall, being one of the founding members of a conference usually means that school also possesses an unequal amount of power (we’ll get to the larger conversation around this in a second). The scoring here is a bit more complicated, but by conference affiliation:

  • Big Ten, SEC, Pac-12, MAC= 0 points
  • Big 12= 1 point
  • ACC, MWC= 2 points
  • Big East, C-USA, Sun Belt= 5 points

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A Case for the ACC (or Anyone Other Than the SEC)

Alec Lemon and the Orange Were Not Intimidated by the SEC

First, let’s be clear, the SEC is the most talented football conference in the nation. However, just how much better the SEC is than everyone else is less clear. Many people have bought into the notion of SEC superiority so wholeheartedly that they are now unable to seriously consider a team from another conference as a legitimate national title contender.

Playing in the national championship is not a birthright, it is something that teams earn. Right now though, it seems like the SEC is all but guaranteed a spot in the title game. Assuming Notre Dame beats USC, they are in, and will play the winner of the Georgia vs. Alabama game — so long as neither of those teams lose their regular season finale (go Jackets!). Georgia and Alabama are both talented one-loss teams; but it is wrong how one loss SEC teams are favored so strongly by humans, and thus computers too,  just because of their conference.

Why not a one-loss ACC team? Consider Florida State. FSU is currently ranked 10th in the BCS standings, behind five SEC teams. Two of these SEC teams, LSU and Texas A&M, both have two loses. FSU’s one loss this season came relatively early in the season on the road vs. NC State. Usually it is better to lose early in the season, yet Alabama lost just two weeks ago and is second in the BCS. FSU’s best win of the season came against Clemson, another one-loss ACC team wrongly buried behind SEC teams. FSU has two remaining regular season games: against rival Florida, and ACC Coastal Division Champion Georgia Tech. Should FSU win these two games, that would mean two more quality victories. Compare this to Georgia, who has a clear route to the national title available to them. UGA’s only signature win was a sloppy victory over Florida, whom FSU will have a chance to beat too, and their only loss was a beat down by South Carolina. Georgia is 1-1 in premiere games this season and has the 46th-ranked strength of schedule according to the Sagarin ratings. Other SEC teams mirror this pattern of one quality in-conference win, and one or two in-conference losses.

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Atlantic Coast Convos 2012 Top 25: Week 13

Notre Dame Took Care of Business Versus Wake Forest, and Now Sit One Win Away From the BCS National Championship Game

As is customary, we’ll be bringing you a new take on the top 25 teams in the country each Monday during the regular season. This week, we survey the wreckage after the top two teams went down; leaving us with the real possibility of another all-SEC championship. Disagree at all? Feel free to share that with us below (respectfully, of course).

Atlantic Coast Convos 2012 Top 25 (Week 13)

1. Notre Dame Fighting Irish (11-0) (LW: 3) (First-place votes: 4)

2. Ohio State Buckeyes (11-0) (LW: 5)

3. Alabama Crimson Tide (10-1) (LW: 4)

4. Oregon Ducks (10-1) (LW: 1)

5. Kansas State Wildcats (10-1) (LW: 2)

6. Georgia Bulldogs (10-1) (LW: 10)

7. Florida State Seminoles (10-1) (LW: 6)

8. Florida Gators (10-1) (LW: 7)

9. LSU Tigers (9-2) (LW: 8)

10. Texas A&M Aggies (9-2) (LW: 9)

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Atlantic Coast Convos 2012 Top 25: Week 12

Texas A&M Shook Up the Polls in a Big Way This Weekend, Upsetting No. 1 Alabama

As is customary, we’ll be bringing you a new take on the top 25 teams in the country each Monday during the regular season. And just when you thought you knew what would happen this season, the no. 1 team goes down, and… well, now we’re actually left with a pretty clear picture of who will be in the title game (should those teams win out). Disagree at all? Feel free to share that with us below (respectfully, of course).

Atlantic Coast Convos 2012 Top 25 (Week 12)

1. Oregon Ducks (10-0) (LW: 2) (First-place votes: 3)

2. Kansas State Wildcats (10-0) (LW: 3) (2)

3. Notre Dame Fighting Irish (10-0) (LW: 4) (1)

4. Alabama Crimson Tide (9-1) (LW: 1)

5. Ohio State Buckeyes (10-0) (LW: 5)

6. Florida State Seminoles (9-1) (LW: 6)

7. Florida Gators (9-1) (LW: 8)

8. LSU Tigers (8-2) (LW: 9)

9. Texas A&M Aggies (8-2) (LW: 15)

10. Georgia Bulldogs (9-1) (LW: 7)

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Atlantic Coast Convos 2012 Top 25: Week 11

Oregon’s Outburst on Saturday Vaults Them Back Up to the No. 2 Spot in Our Rankings

As is customary, we’ll be bringing you a new take on the top 25 teams in the country each Monday during the regular season. As we enter the home stretch, our title contenders seem pretty locked in, though the rest will likely take another month to properly sort themselves out. Disagree at all? Feel free to share that with us below (respectfully, of course).

Atlantic Coast Convos 2012 Top 25 (Week 11)

1. Alabama Crimson Tide (9-0) (LW: 1) (First-place votes: 5)

2. Oregon Ducks (9-0) (LW: 3)

3. Kansas State Wildcats (9-0) (LW: 2)

4. Notre Dame Fighting Irish (9-0) (LW: 4)

5. Ohio State Buckeyes (10-0) (LW: 6)

6. Florida State Seminoles (8-1) (LW: 7)

7. Georgia Bulldogs (8-1) (LW: 9)

9. Florida Gators (8-1) (LW: 8)

9. LSU Tigers (7-2) (LW: 5)

10. Clemson Tigers (8-1) (LW: 11)

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Atlantic Coast Convos 2012 Top 25: Week 10

Notre Dame’s Big Win Over Oklahoma Solidifies Them as a National Championship Threat

As is customary, we’ll be bringing you a new take on the top 25 teams in the country each Monday during the regular season. The theme of this past weekend was upheaval, and the BCS picture is looking as cloudy as ever, still with eight or nine teams in the championship conversation. Disagree at all? Feel free to share that with us below (respectfully, of course).

Atlantic Coast Convos 2012 Top 25 (Week 10)

1. Alabama Crimson Tide (8-0) (LW: 1) (First-place votes: 5)

2. Kansas State Wildcats (8-0) (LW: 4)

3. Oregon Ducks (8-0) (LW: 3)

4. Notre Dame Fighting Irish (8-0) (LW: 5)

5. LSU Tigers (7-1) (LW: 6)

6. Ohio State Buckeyes (9-0) (LW: 9)

7. Florida State Seminoles (8-1) (LW: 10)

8. Florida Gators (7-1) (LW: 2)

9. Georgia Bulldogs (7-1) (LW: 14)

10. South Carolina Gamecocks (7-2) (LW: 15)

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